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Posted: 29 June 2008 at 2:54am | IP Logged Quote Stuff

Does anyone have a source for sketching--e.g. "Sketching for Dummies?"

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Posted: 29 June 2008 at 8:06pm | IP Logged Quote rsise

Hi, Stuff...

I don't often do sketches...yet.  Two reasons, I think.  First, I don't often want to get caught up in the drawing and miss the "seeing".  And, I think it's one of those "But, I don't draw well" self-conscious things.

I plan a bit ahead for those I have done.  For instance, for planet or moon drawings I already have an outline ready to go (read as circle  ).  I am also at the point where I don't include a ton of detail.  I focus on the main points I wanted to observe such as the GRS on Jupiter or a particular mare or crater.

I did do a quick search and found this site:  http://www.rangeweb.net/~sketcher/index.html

It seemed interesting.

Oh, I noticed my copy of The Backyard Astronomer's Guide (2nd ed.) has a page on sketching at the eyepiece by Gregg Thompson.  Do you have that book or access to it?

 



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Posted: 30 June 2008 at 3:17pm | IP Logged Quote Stuff

Thanks, Rebecca. I spent a little time looking at Bill Greer's website--a keeper, to be sure--and plan to do more this evening.

I vaguely remember the sketch chapter in the Backyard Astronomer's Guide. Yes, I have a copy, somewhere. Gotta find it tonight...

Your excuses may not be valid. First, sketching what you see will improve your ability to "see" when you observe. Second, even if you are a complete klutz as an artist, practice helps you improve. Besides, there is no requirement that you show your work to others.

I sketch for the fun of it (and not ready to share yet), but I am slow, so sketching becomes an exercise in frustration. I would like to learn how to speed up...

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Posted: 01 July 2008 at 1:25am | IP Logged Quote kiwi_canuck

I haven't tried sketching either. What I do draw is little charts or other helpful diagrams to depict what I saw. eg positions of Jupiter's moons, relative size of objects, position of background stars etc. These are drawn so I can confirm my observations next morning when I have access to computer or other resources. I have a series of diagrams of Comet Holmes' path thru Perseus last year.

Sketching is something I'd like to try, and I've heard that it's possible to do so with a Dob - sketch, push, sketch, push.

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Stuff - I came across this book in one of the book clubs I am in.  It's called :

"Astronomical Sketching" By Richard Handy, et al.  Its a step-by-step introduction to the subject.  Looks interesting, has 390 illustrations and was published in 2007.

Here's the book description :

"Want to draw images from space yourself instead of relying on photography? If so, Astronomical Sketching is ideal for you. Five talented sketch artists provide step-by-step tutorials for sketching the Moon, comets, Sun, planets, star clusters, nebulae, and galaxies in a variety of media.
    Interested in the Moon? One chapter contains a series of sections that show in turn how to sketch it with a graphite pencil, charcoal, pen, and white chalk on black paper. Each section contains a list of art supplies, preparation advice, and a set of numbered steps accompanied by illustrations. Consider a graphite sketch of lunar craters. In nine steps, you’ll learn to create a light outline of the main features; “rough in” the most prominent shadows; and add detail to the crater rims and peaks. Subsequently you’ll heighten the contrast between the darker crater floor and brighter walls; blend these areas to match what you see through the telescope; and remove smudges.
    How about the Trifid Nebula? As daunting as this may seem at first, it can be done. In turn, you are shown how to frame and prepare the sketch area; plot the positions of stars within your field of view; and analyze the nebulae—all  before starting your sketch. Then we see how to brush in the base layer with graphite; build up brighter areas; and refine the view (a kneaded eraser will allow you to subtly remove layers of graphite). While the original sketch is prepared with black graphite on white paper, you can create a negative that matches what’s seen in the sky.  
    As for galaxies, the book suggests starting with the barred spiral M66 in Leo, a good subject due to its striking structure. An eraser shield can help create the dark lanes seen in other examples, such as the Sombrero Galaxy (M104).    
    Astronomical Sketching gives you the ability to record the beauty of the cosmos with your own hands."



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Posted: 08 July 2008 at 3:33pm | IP Logged Quote Stuff

Thank you Phill & Corey.

Corey, I was not aware of that book, but from the description you supplied, it sounds worth obtaining. Now, what book am I gonna toss to make room...?

Phill, you have seen clearly, as clearly as Einstein did when he created a space-time dimension. From this day forth it will be "sketch-push" rather than "sketching."

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Posted: 23 June 2009 at 6:16am | IP Logged Quote LYPD

 

Hi Guys and Gals

Just catching up on this year old post on sketching.

Phill, excuse me being obtuse, buth what is Sketch-push? Please explain the concept.

How do you see in the dark and do your eyes adjust quickly enough for sketching?

Thanks to you all for the Book, site and info.

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Posted: 23 June 2009 at 7:11am | IP Logged Quote kiwi_canuck

Lili, I decided that sketching would be fun right after I got my Dobsonian scope last year. It was a somewhat ironic decision because for the previous 7 years I'd observed with a motor-driven refractor, and a Dobsonian typically has no motor drive, and an observer tracks an object by nudging the scope every few moments. Hence sketch-push the scope-sketch some more.

As for sketching in the dark, most observers have a dim red light aimed at their sketch pad.

Unfortunately, I've done very little observing over the past year, but am hoping to get my scope out more over the next few months - starting this Saturday night, if the weather clears up......right in tiem for mosquito season

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Posted: 25 June 2009 at 5:21am | IP Logged Quote LYPD

 

Okay Phill that was good. Thanks. I knew that about the red flashlight, but does one have enough hands.

Get the Off for the mosquitos and go get em girl. We have all been under the cloud cover lately. This is the first June I can remember that had so few nice days you could count on one hand.



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G'Day Ladies,

I have no suggestions how to handle the mosquitos. Nothing I have tried worked. But you can purchase a strap-on light to wear around your head (think coal miner). They do not have much weight (maybe a few ounces) and have good battery life (LEDs don't draw a lot of power). Some versions come with red and white lights. The last time I looked, you could buy a decent unit for about $10USD.

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I found one of those dual lights that strap onto the head (red and white light) at a local store in Kingston, NY ... Gander Mountain. (I believe they recently went online, longtime catalog business.) I got it for my SAR - Search and Rescue work, wish I had found it when first observing the stars. I always had the special red light, the flashlight painted with red and the dreaded white light flashlight to go along.

Getting a bit more "Off" the subject, but remember how Avon's Skin-So-Soft was supposed to repel the buggers? I am out in the woods alot and my personal body lotion is by a company called "philosophy", fragrance "Amazing Grace". I use this refreshing lotion often and those buggers bother me not! (I do spray the bottoms of my legs with yucky deet stuff.)



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I learn something new everyday!

Hi Robin,

Thanks for the heads up on Philosophy's Amazing Grace. I'm a long time
Philosophy user but I haven't tried that particular product so thanks for
the heads up on it.

To prevent insect bites I'm currently using - not the Avon SSS lotion but
the SSS Bath Oil Spray - and I truly attest that it works like a miracle!
Two years ago I suddenly became allergic to mosquito bites as well as
chiggers and mites which live in southern summer grasses year round. I
couldn't even think about stepping outside - couldn't even walk to the
mail box- in the daytime, without risking anaphylaxis, and so I'd have to
take 50 mg of liquid benedryl at least 30 minutes prior. Mostly I tried to
stay indoors as much as possible, but I'm a sky watcher and a nature
lover so that was nearly impossible. Plus, I do a lot of Sidewalk
Astronomy in all seasons, both day and night, and during summer months
when school is out I go to libraries and other citywide establishments with
a solar telescope as a speaker/lecturer on behalf of my astronomy club. I
give an indoor talk and presentation about the sun then follow it with a
solar observation. Since Benedryl tablets take too long to breakdown and
injections are mostly reserved for emergencies, my doctor suggested I
try OTC Zyrtec as a daily routine. That lessened the reactions at first but
after about a month of daily use it started not helping at all.

Then one day just by luck I found two brand new unopened bottles of
Avon SSS shower spray that I had stuffed in a closet from a sale a few
years back and forgotten. I decided to try it. Voila! No more bug bites at
all!! I don't know if they sell it anymore or not, I hope they do because it
works wonders for me! Yea! And, it smells fresh and nice. No More
Benedryl!! I used to have to keep it with me at all times and now SSS
works as an excellent preventive as long as I remember to use it after
every shower; it has to be the original scent Skin-So-Soft Bath Oil and it
has to be applied over wet or damp skin BEFORE you dry off. It keeps
arms and legs very soft too.

Don't you just love Philosophy? For my birthday they sent me a free
package of a full sized "Vanilla Birthday Cake" shower gel. I've never
tried it, just got it and haven't used it yet but it sure smells yummy and it
says it's a shower gel and that it also makes a good bubble bath and
works very well as a shampoo too. I can't wait to use it as shower gel but
may have to try the hair thing too just to see how it works. Oh, and guess
what? You know where they usually put the philosophy statements on the
bottles and tubes? You may know this already... I didn't... instead of a
statement on the Vanilla Birthday Cake guess what they put? A real
recipe for a real vanilla birthday cake!

I'm definitely going to get Amazing Grace lotion now that you've
recommended it.

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Just reading this post and stuff.............tossing out one book to make room for another? Hmmmm, what a "novel" concept. (Sorry, couldn't resist the pun, well, okay, maybe I could, but where's the fun in that????) Which, of course, maybe why there are books all over my house!!

Corey, thanks for pointing out the book, sounds interesting.



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